Noam:
Where this discussion has led me is back to our shared ideas about creativity. It is not necessarily about drawing a strict line between philosophy and the sciences, especially considering that, as mentioned, many pivotal thinkers throughout history have engaged in both in similar ways. In that sense, intellectual achievements, whether scientific or philosophical, are ultimately grounded in a shared form of creativity.
I’d also be curious to learn more about the two types of cognition and to what extent they can truly be separated by the factor of creativity. My own intuition is that no thought is ever entirely original. Everything we think builds upon existing constructs, which can be traced back to prior perceptions we already hold. This, once again, brings us to creativity, the capacity to perceive new connections between familiar elements, which I see as a defining feature of that mode of thought.
I also think there is a substantial role for metacognition in creativity, something that distinguishes a creative process from one that is merely random or noisy. If we break creativity down, it seems to involve alternating between more and less “noisy” states of exploration, and then evaluating the progress made during these more chaotic phases. Integrating that progress into a more structured pathway requires a reflective, evaluative process, a form of metacognition.
I’m still not entirely convinced that there is a fundamental difference between philosophizing and engaging in other cognitively demanding forms of inquiry. Rather, I think disciplinary boundaries and conventions play a key role in differentiating philosophy, science, and art. What might contribute to achievement across all of these domains, in my view, is creativity: the balance between structured, goal-directed (model based) behavior and more exploratory, (model-shifting?) processes.
Lorenzo:
I agree that creative imagination is part of this puzzle, and to know more about that might also shed some light on whether a distinction between cognition and cogitation can be drawn.
Here’s a thought experiment: If I ask you to think about a new planet, in an undiscovered galaxy, with potential life on it. I am not asking to describe it, but just to imagine its possibility and imagine what life would be like there. Do you think that all we can imagine can be tracked back to original perception, or do you think that it is possible to dream up something from scratch.
I am really curious about that, and it would help to identify free-floating imagination as one type of cogitation.
Federico:
There is a view that see a clear separation between body and mind, then there is the body-mind view that looks at the whole brain function as integrated (the mind exists as the product of the interaction between the brain and the environments - that includes the body). In this view, free-floating thinking is not a thing as it must have been shaped by present and past interactions.
Lorenzo:
I agree - the mind goes far beyond than the brain. Psychological concepts are meaningful only when applied to a complete, living organism capable of behaviour in the world, not the brain in isolation.
Beyond the brain, there is full embodied knowledge (which gives us the main input for cognition). The body-in-the-world (which includes the mind) acts according to norms and constraints that can be local and contingent. Those norms shape all kind of activities, including cognition. This we all agree on.
Where we diverge, is that thought (in particular, philosophical thought) and imagination diverge from ordinary cognitive activities in so far that they challenge or transcend sensory data AND the local norms that guide competent cognition of the data.
Now, the question is whether cognition is qualitatively or quantitatively different from cogitation. (Ie, is philosophical thought just a form of deep cognition or is it something else?). (Or again, is creative Imagination just an enhanced form of cognition, some would say distorted, that is also rooted somehow in the same process as any cognition, and it is also in some way guided by similar norms?).
Noam:
My inclination is to focus on the limits of imagination: are we confined to our previous perceptions and just recombining their parts in different ways, or can we construct something completely novel?
Federico:
I wonder what others (mathematicians, philosophers, cognitive scientists) might think...