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It's Just Research, Ep. 5: Power of Perspectives: Dr Maren Elfert on Education's Global Stage

In the fifth episode of "It's Just Research," we're treated to a candid chat with Dr Maren Elfert, an expert in the field of international education. Dr Elfert, with her deep roots in UNESCO and a keen eye on education's global dynamics, shares insights that hit close to home for anyone curious about the forces shaping our learning environments.

Starting off, Elfert reflects on her UNESCO days: "It was like juggling ideals and reality." This glimpse into her journey sets the stage for a discussion full of real-world insights and the complexities of educational reform.

One of the most striking moments comes when Elfert discusses the tension between UNESCO's humanistic goals and the hard-nosed world of result-oriented management. She brings to light the challenges of securing funding for long-term projects in a landscape obsessed with immediate results. "It's tough when your vision spans decades, but the funding outlook barely covers the next fiscal quarter," Elfert shares, highlighting a fundamental challenge in education reform.

The conversation takes an intriguing turn as Elfert delves into the significance of major reports by institutions like UNESCO and the OECD. She points out how these documents, while not household names, are instrumental in guiding the global educational narrative. "These reports are more than just paper. They're the bedrock of policymaking," she explains, shedding light on the behind-the-scenes work that influences educational trends worldwide.

Elfert's critique of the OECD's PISA assessments is particularly compelling. She argues that their competitive nature might overshadow the true essence of education. "When education becomes a race, we all lose sight of the finish line," she remarks, questioning the impact of such rankings on the holistic development of learners.

The episode wraps up with Elfert advocating for a more localised approach to education, one that respects the nuances of individual communities. "Let's bring education back to its roots, tailored to the needs and dreams of its learners," she suggests, echoing a sentiment that resonates across the globe.

Listeners are left with much to ponder, thanks to Elfert's thought-provoking insights. As we navigate the ever-evolving landscape of global education, her call to action reminds us of the importance of grounding our efforts in the realities and aspirations of the communities we serve.

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Sara Black

Sara Black

Lecturer in Education and Society

Sylvie Carlos

Sylvie Carlos

PhD Candidate

Liam Cini O'Dwyer

Liam Cini O'Dwyer

PhD Candidate

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